In this interview, investigative journalist Whitney Webb discusses her book, “One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime That Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein.”
The book is so long, it was cut into two volumes. Volume 1 alone is 544
pages, but it’s a fascinating read and incredibly well-referenced.
When asked what drove or inspired her to become an investigative
journalist and to write this tome, Webb reviews some of her personal
history that made her question adults and authority in general and, more
specifically, the systems that run our world, including health care and
politics.
“I became acutely aware of a lot of these issues with
health care and big pharma, environmental issues and political stuff
... There's just a lot of things you realize as you start to
investigate, like how many people have been, for lack of a better word,
screwed over, or had things robbed from them ... their lives or their
loved ones on the extreme end ...
Obviously, it’s a system that isn't working for
people. It's not designed to work for people. It's designed to weaken
people for the benefit of the powerful. I don't want to live in a world
like that, and now I have kids, and I don't want them to live in that
world.
What I've noticed, especially over the past several
years, is [how] dangerous people with power [target] children, to
significant degrees ... Really, these things cannot continue ... More of
us have to speak up. I felt that ... knowing this stuff, I had to do
something. Thankfully, for me, it eventually turned into a career, but
it wasn't planned.”
Reading the Signs
While COVID-19 took many by
surprise, the globalist cabal has in fact, for decades, telegraphed that
they were creating a New World Order, and even that one or more global
pandemics might pave the way for this one world global governance. There
were also signs that something was being planned to derail the 2020
elections in the U.S.
“I think some people were sort of anticipating something,” Webb says. “By
late 2019 and in January 2020, I did a report titled something like,
‘How U.S. Intelligence Is Preparing the American Public for a Failed
Election in 2020.’ This was before COVID, [but] it was basically clear
that there was going to be some ... push for this domestic terror agenda
... and that there was going to be a lot of complications around 2020.
That stuff was out in the open by the end of 2019,
and COVID [arrived] in January. You could sort of see that something was
going on there, but it wasn't quite clear the extent of what was going
to go on. I think some people were anticipating some sort of 9/11 2.0,
but it ended up being a biosecurity 9/11.”
Operation Underworld
Webb’s book, “One Nation Under Blackmail,” is an essential primer
that provides the framework to understand not just the role and function
of Jeffrey Epstein, but also, more broadly, the mess we’re now finding
us in. She goes back almost 100 years, to World War II, detailing the
connections between the intelligence community in the United States and
organized crime, and how the web of corruption grew from there. As
explained by Webb:
“The mafia and the mob were professional criminals.
Their businesses were basically rackets of illegal activity, most often
sex trafficking or prostitution and drug smuggling, and, obviously,
those activities necessitate a lot of financial crimes like money
laundering, among other things, in order to expand and maintain those
rackets.
That's basically what organized crime is in a
nutshell. You have someone like Epstein, who's the focus of Volume 2 of
the book, ‘Down the Line,’ who's engaging in sex trafficking. But he was
also involved in arms trafficking and money laundering to a significant
degree — the same rackets of organized crime going back to the '20s and
'30s.
That was their realms, but also became the realms of
intelligence agencies. Definitely, U.S. intelligence has engaged in
those activities, but several intelligence agencies around the world,
specifically intelligence agencies that collaborate or are allied with
the CIA, [such as] intelligence agencies in Latin America, when you're
talking about drug smuggling.
One theme throughout the book is the different areas
and scandals where U.S. and Israeli intelligence have cooperated in the
expansion of these rackets — things like Iran Contra, for example, which
is probably an accessible scandal to a lot of people.
It was a lot more extensive than just arms for
hostages’ situation. At the end of the day, it was an arms trafficking
and drug trafficking situation, with the idea of financing secret wars
around the globe with a focus on the Contras in Nicaragua, but also
elsewhere ...
And as I point out in the book, the fusion of
organized crime and intelligence became formalized in World War II in
something that's known as Operation Underworld, where the office of
Naval intelligence with the CIA's precursor, the OSS [Office of
Strategic Services], formally aligned themselves with the New York mob —
what was at the time referred to as the National Crime Syndicate, which
was basically a merger of the Jewish mob and the Italian mafia.
The reason that happened is because the mob had taken
over most of the unions, and in doing so, they had also taken over most
of the Democratic party, as their power base was unions at the time.
So, the mob took over the unions and then they took control of the
Democratic party in New York, and that preceded Operation Underworld.”
Blackmail and Organized Crime
The origin of the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) was the
Coordinator of Information Office, which became the Office of Strategic
Services (OSS) under the direction of William Donovan during World War
II. The OSS coordinated espionage activities for all branches of the
armed forces. In 1947, networks developed as part of the OSS became what
we now know as the CIA. It basically centralized all these intelligence
networks into one.
“The main theme of the book, in keeping with Jeffrey
Epstein, is to show how sexual blackmail is something that was used by
organized crime even before U.S. intelligence existed. They then get
together and essentially start cooperating in a lot of these rackets,
things like sex trafficking, arms trafficking, drug trafficking. They
sort of fuse together and have this symbiotic relationship.
One of the ways they protect those rackets and expand
them is by compromising powerful people ... I'm basically tracing the
continuity of those activities, and a lot of these same financial
crimes, well beyond when these groups first came together. I point to
numerous examples of the same groups and the same people from then,
through the '50s, the '60s, the '70s and into the '80s.
People are aware that there was a point where
organized crime was known to have had a lot of influence, clout and
power in the United States. And unfortunately, people had been
brainwashed to believe that it's gone, and that's not what happened.
Instead, sexual blackmail took over our law
enforcement agencies at a very early stage with the blackmail of Jay
Edgar Hoover, who himself was also very into blackmail and blackmailed
other people.
Essentially, what this boils down to is that this is
control of information, access to privileged information and the
weaponization of information. That's sort of what blackmail is in a
sense ... At this very early stage, you had the head of law enforcement
of the FBI completely compromised by organized crime.
And he refused to go after organized crime pretty
much the whole time he was FBI director, which he was for the majority
of the 20th century.”
The ‘Tough on Crime’ Charade
One really important point Webb covers in her book is that while it
may appear as though organized crime is being combated, this is rarely
ever the case. Stories of cracking down on organized crime are cover
stories to hide what’s really happening, which is the consolidation of
organized crime territories. Webb explains:
“Basically, the people that are most powerful,
especially the organized criminals in bed with intelligence, they have
state protection, in a sense, of their rackets, so that is a huge boon
for them. And they can weaponize it through their influence and power
over the CIA and groups like that ... and have their competition taken
out.
This is something that's been going on for a very
long time. One early example I give in the book is Thomas Dewey. He was
governor of New York and a contender for U.S. president at one point,
but he became famous as a prosecutor of organized crime, and he was
actually involved in Operation Underworld, which was the alliance of
intelligence and organized crime.
He later became a business partner of the mob himself
by the '50s and '60s. Another politician that also became tied with
organized crime was William O’Dwyer. He was mayor of New York for an
extended period of time. [Dewey and O’Dwyer] were prosecuting a mobster
and they were praised in the media as being tough on crime.
But really, that particular mobster they were going
after, Lepke Buchalter, had basically been consigned to death by all the
other guys in the mob. They wanted him out. So, he was sold out and
they took over his territory. But these prosecutors were praised as
tough on crime and they were elected on this tough on crime image, but
really, they're in bed with organized crime.
You see this with someone like Rudolph Giuliani
decades later in the 1980s. He's prosecuting Italian organized crime,
but becoming very close to other sides of the National Crime Syndicate
as it existed in that period.
He’s consolidating territory by only going after
certain mobsters whose time had essentially already set. And then he has
this ‘tough on crime’ image that he uses to build his political career,
while still having these alliances behind closed doors. This is a
recurring theme ...
Harry Truman made O’Dwyer U.S. ambassador to Mexico
to shield him from criminal charges related to organized crime activity
of the mayor's office. He later had to testify to the Senate Committee
on Organized Crime, the Kefauver Committee, and was basically guilty as
sin.
But Harry Truman had stepped in, because at that
point, the Democratic Party, especially the New York Democratic Party
... was completely built on the system of unsavory alliances, and that's
just the nature of power.”
If we’ve learned anything these past couple of years, it’s that
things are not always as they appear to be. Thankfully, we have people
like Webb to help us understand what's really going on.
Where’s All the Money Going?
Naturally, massive amounts of revenue are generated through these
organized crime activities. Where is it all going? What’s it used for?
Originally, intelligence agencies sought ways to finance secret wars,
off the books, and cooperating with the crime syndicate allowed for the
amassing of black funds.
For a long time, this was justified as necessary to fight communism,
but with the fall of the Soviet Union, that excuse collapsed, and from
that point on, the nexus of power split into two divergent factions,
each with their own cherished intent.
“You see it in U.S. politics today,” she says. “You
have people that are hungry for a return to the Reagan era where
America's on top and use these same types of illegal activities to
further U.S. imperialism ... and then you have the internationalist
camp, the globalists that want global governance.
You sort of have them competing, but both factions go
back to Iran-Contra and these intelligence organized crime groups. The
Clintons, for example, you see them being involved in Iran-Contra, and I
would definitely place them in the internationalist camp.
It's pretty clear that Epstein moved in that
direction by the ‘90s as well, and that sort of explains some of his
interactions with the Clinton White House throughout the 1990s, which
were very scandalous and have major implications for national security,
in a way that I think really few Americans understand. I certainly
didn't understand until I did the research and wrote this book.
But then you have people rally around Trump. For
instance, you have an adviser to him, Reagan's Attorney General Edwin
Meese, who was also ... involved in criminal activity ...
Your original question, ‘What are they doing with the
money?’ Well, we don't really know, but if you look at someone like
Epstein, who was in these financial networks — a key financial criminal
... who doled in sex crimes. He's involved with Iran-Contra, then he
gets involved with Clinton White House stuff, then he gets involved with
building up this new model of philanthropy typified by the Clinton
Foundation and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ...
You see him over time getting really involved with
eugenics and transhumanism. A lot of these 'philanthropies' are also
promoting policies that lead us in those directions. From a very early
stage ... you have Epstein, in 2012, trying to sell genomic sequences of
people to big pharma for this gene tailored medicine that now, in the
COVID era, we're hearing about in a big way.
So, as you're centralizing control and taking control
of all the money, eventually you don't need any more money. It becomes
about power and control, and how to entrench yourself in that position
so that you maintain the status quo that benefits you. Obviously, that
doesn't benefit the American public. That benefits these career
criminals.”
It’s About Power and Control
So, to summarize, the incentive behind all this criminal activity is
not merely the hoarding of money to live in the lap of luxury. It's
about the power and control that money buys. And, over time, the desire
to control gets more intense, just as simple greed for wealth can get
more intense the more money you accumulate, to the point they now seek
to control people at the biological, genetic and molecular level.
Epstein, while dismissed as a simple sex criminal, was far more
instrumental to the globalist cabal than that. For example, he was so
influential in science that when Gates decided he wanted a Nobel Prize,
he tapped Epstein to help him get it. He didn’t get it, but that's how
he got a meeting with people involved in selecting that prize.
Epstein was also very influential in the world of philanthropy. “I
think he was a middle management for a whole bunch of these different
rackets that are tied to people like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton,” Webb
says.
Epstein also had a relatively close relationship with David
Rockefeller, who personally appointed Epstein to the board of
Rockefeller University. Epstein was also a member of the Trilateral
Commission, created by David Rockefeller, and the Council on Foreign
Relations. Even after Epstein was outed as a pedophile and sex criminal,
they kept him as a member.
“Ultimately, what you're seeing with this group, over
time, is that they can't believe they get away with it so often, for so
long. They become so wealthy, so rich, they don't have any use for any
more money, and it becomes about power and control,” Webb says.
“Also, they see the rest of us as subhuman, because
they think we're such saps that they can just screw us over and we'll do
nothing, all the time. A lot of this is generational. Some of it's not,
but there are families involved here, where you have several
generations of them and they're basically taught that the rest of us are
just idiots.
There's this classism there, where ‘We are the elite
and we are herding these people along; they're complete idiots and we
can treat them however we want and exploit them.’ You see that manifest
in the sex trafficking activities of Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,
where Maxwell is calling the girls they're trafficking ‘trash.’ But they
view all of us like that.
They see themselves as elite, and a lot of people
call them that because they have become an economic elite. But they have
become an economic elite through criminal activity, not through honest
means, the vast majority of them.
That's what I try to chronicle in the book, because
you can't understand Epstein unless you understand this network, and
that network precedes Epstein's existence by decades, and it continues
even after he is gone.
That's what I want people to really take away from
the book, because we're basically being told by mainstream media that
now that Epstein is gone, the one bad billionaire in the world has been
dealt justice and now everything's fine, go back to sleep.
It’s very important to realize the extent of his
involvement in financial crimes. It's not like the sex crimes, which
were perpetrated against X number of minors. Obviously, those are
horrific crimes, but the financial crimes, pretty much every American's
been affected by that to a significant degree.”
The Clinton Crime Syndicate
In the interview, Webb names a number of individuals with ties to
criminal activity, among them, the Clintons, who have had an impossible
number of people around them die under mysterious circumstances.
“I definitely think the crimes of the Clinton family
are just so egregious and out of control that it's just stunning to me
that they have been able to evade any sort of legal case ... This
criminal stuff has entrenched their power in that particular camp which
is more allied with the internationalist side of things. They’ve just
sold the U.S. down the river in a way that is truly mind-boggling.”
The Suspicious Death of Mark Middleton
One example of a Clinton-related death is that of Mark Middleton,
special assistant to the chief of staff at the Clinton White House, who
was responsible for setting up Epstein’s visits to the White House. He
was suicided earlier this year, right when Webb was writing her book.
What did he know?
“Mark Middleton was recruited for that position as
part of the 1992 election. [He was] basically placed in that position
because of his role as a fundraiser during that election cycle. But by
February 1995, he had to resign, and the circumstances of his
resignation are very suspicious.
The investigation into Mark Middleton is so
suspicious that the George W. Bush Administration invoked executive
privilege for the first time, just weeks before 9/11, to keep documents
about the investigation into Mark Middleton out of the hands of
Congress. That is astounding, because it's not even the same
administration, ostensibly an administration against the corruption of
the Clinton era, we're told.
Invoking executive privilege for the first time to
protect a guy that's special assistant to chief of staff — obviously,
Middleton was involved in some very suspect activity. And those
investigations don't deal with Epstein, they deal with other people that
Middleton was meeting with ...
It's ... remembered as China Gate. I think that's
sort of a misnomer. China's definitely involved, but it's more fair, I
think, to call it Riady Gate. Riady referring to the family of Mochtar
Riady, an East Asian oligarch of Chinese origin, but they're Indonesian.
They bankrolled the Clintons back when Clinton was
governor of Arkansas and through his presidency. By the early 1990s,
they had become official business partners of China, so they were
involved in infiltrating and targeting the commerce department. This is
part of why Commerce Secretary Ron Brown ends up dead in this plane
crash in 1996 ... and Epstein is in the middle of it.
While Epstein is meeting with Middleton, he is [also]
courting the very airline at the center of Iran-Contra and Mena,
Arkansas, drug running and arms smuggling — Southern Air Transport — to
run cargo between China and the U.S., ostensibly for the businesses of
Leslie Wexner.
But given who he's meeting with at the time, and all
of this other stuff, it points to some sort of illegal arms smuggling
into the United States. A lot of these guns ... ended up in the hands of
gangs in American inner cities at the same time that the same network
created the crack epidemic, which has been reported by people like the
late journalist, Gary Webb. No relation, by the way.”
Epstein Co-Conspirators Turn Up Dead
As explained by Webb, the same group of people responsible for
creating a drug epidemic in America’s inner cities was simultaneously
setting up a system of privately owned for-profit prisons — something
implemented during Clinton’s time in the White House — thereby creating a
new model of defacto slavery for African Americans arrested on
trumped-up drug charges.
They also imprisoned people for gang violence, which they exacerbated
by smuggling illegal weapons into the U.S. from China. Aside from the
Clintons, Chinese military intelligence and companies that had business
relationships with Epstein dating back to the 1980s were all involved in
this elaborate scheme.
“So, there is a lot of scandalous stuff that went on
the Clinton administration that I think most Americans don't even have a
handle on anymore. And conveniently, the investigation into it was
totally upended by 9/11 ...
Last December was the first time we got the full
visitor logs of Epstein at the White House, and what had previously been
thought to have been five meetings with Mark Middleton at the White
House turned into about ... 17 in total for Epstein ...
Almost all of them tied to very crazy and very
illegal fundraising activity by the Clintons, either in the ‘92 election
or the ‘96 election, and Epstein was in the middle of that. He of
course becomes involved in the creation of the Clinton Foundation after
Clinton leaves office, which as most people know now, is basically their
slush fund.
So, [Epstein] is important ... for these people and
there's a reason that so little attention has been paid to his finances.
If you look at the Epstein case, the only innocent person to turn up
dead was the son of the judge that was going to oversee the Epstein
Deutsche Bank case.
There was a hit on the family of the judge ... I
don't think they want people going into the Epstein Deutsche Bank
relationship, the Epstein, JP Morgan or Bear Stearns relationship, for a
number of reasons.
Unfortunately, I didn't get to cover this in the book
... but it seems like Epstein's role in the collapse of Bear Stearns
was very significant. And this is troubling, because the collapse of
Bear Stearns basically started the 2008 financial crisis, which was a
huge wealth transfer, again, just like the 1980s ...
But basically, all the other people in the Epstein
case that have ended up dead in the last couple years have been
co-conspirators of Epstein: Jean-Luc Brunel [and] Steve Hoffenberg ...
And in terms of Mark Middleton's death, it’s also
very suspect. He was found hanging from a tree by the neck — it was an
extension cord, not a rope — a shotgun wound to the chest, ruled a
suicide.
No pictures or video footage of the death scene are
allowed to be made public by a judge order in Arkansas. So, it's just
nuts, to be honest. And the property the tree was on, where he was found
dead, is tied to the Clinton Foundation. It's called Heifer
International.”
A Reason To Be Fearless
When asked if she’s concerned about her own safety after exposing the
activities of one of the biggest organized crime syndicates in the
world, she says:
“I'm not, and part of that is because I feel the way
to really beat these people is by not being afraid of them ... people
who are afraid are easy to control. So even if you know everything about
these people, if you're afraid of them, they have power over you. The
only way for, not just me, but anyone, to be free from them is to be
free of fear of them. You can't be scared of these people.
Actually, they're scared of us, and they're scared of
regular people waking up because, obviously, there are more of us than
there are of them. And, if exposed for all their criminality, as I'm
trying to do in the book, the more people that are aware of that, the
more quickly it can unravel.
I think, with a lot of the stuff in the past couple
years especially, they've really overplayed their hand. If they did
something to me, it would just make my book a bestseller. More people
would read it. I don't think they want that ...
What I've produced in these books are just the facts.
It's very well sourced, not just in terms of the number of citations,
but the quality of the sources. There's a lot of material there for
people to chew on and do their own research. It's a resource for people
and it's a starting point.
They don't want people to engage with that type of
information because, obviously, their narratives about these events
won't hold up because they're not presenting the facts, they're
presenting propaganda ...
You can't be afraid of them because ... a lot of what
we're fighting now is, in a sense, a fight for the soul of the nation,
the soul of the world. It's a spiritual war, on some level. So, if
you're giving in to fear, you're losing, no matter how much knowledge
you've accumulated about how things work and how these people are. If
you're afraid of them, you're giving them power over you.”
We Can Take Our Power Back Anytime
In Chapter 21, Webb explains her reasons for believing Epstein won’t
be replaced with a cadre of new blackmailers. They don’t need people
like him anymore, thanks to modern surveillance technology.
They can access everything, all your accounts, cameras, phones,
microphones, surveillance cameras, you name it. They can find blackmail
material on anyone these days. Of course, this tech is also being used
to enslave and control the rest of us. There’s a way out, however, and
it’s easier than you might think. Webb explains:
“Like I mentioned earlier, these people see us as
subhuman and complete idiots. So, they think that we'll just be
dependent on this technology forever, that we've become complete slaves
to our own convenience and we'll never take our power back. And it's
actually very easy to take your power back.
You don't have to be a slave to your smartphone or
technology, and they rely on the ability to analyze these masses of data
on artificial intelligence algorithms that — because of the corruption
in corporate America — are oversold. They're not actually as good as
they say they are.
They're relying on you taking your smartphone
everywhere you go and using it for everything and basically giving them
what they want. The way to take power back is to reduce that stuff in
your life. Get local and build parallel systems. That's something that
we can all take steps towards.
They've become so dependent on these electronic forms
of control ... the digital ID agenda, vaccine passports and central
bank digital currencies. They fully expect us to go very willingly into
these digital corrals that are much more controlling and much less free
for the people that enter them — but they need us to voluntarily enter.
Now we have these dueling fuel and energy crises and
the obvious intent is [that] people who are cold and hungry are more
likely to be voluntarily led into these systems. But again, we have to
agree to it. And that means we have agency, and they know it. They can't
technically force us. We have to surrender our power completely to
them, and we have all the tools to take it back, we just have to take
responsibility and start doing it.
This is why I would really caution people against
what I see as psychological conditioning, this idea that we have to wait
for a political savior, vote for the right person, and as soon as we
get the ‘right person’ in the White House, everything will be fine. The
extent of the corruption is vast and there is no way one person at the
White House can undo it all.
What we need are regular people to take
responsibility. So many of us are looking for the good guy versus the
bad guy on the level of nation state leadership. No. The good guys are
just the regular people like you and me, and the bad guys are the people
most often at the top that have stomped on heads and clawed their way
to the heights of power, regardless of what nation state you're talking
about.
It's among regular people where you will find the
‘good guys’ you're looking for and it's time for those people to come
together and say ‘Enough!’ And we really can do it. It just is about
taking personal responsibility ... We have to take our power back and
that starts on an individual level.”
More Information
To learn more, be sure to pick up a copy of, “One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime That Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein.” If you would like to view more of the interviews that Whitney did for this book please to this page on her site as it has links to all the many podcasts she has done about this book.
If you want to pick up both volumes at the same time at a reduced
price, the best place to do that is from the publisher’s website, trineday.com. Eventually, an eBook and audio book will also be made available. For more of Webb’s work, see UnlimitedHangout.com.